You boys are a bad influence. Been studyin' up on things .243, putting together a wish list. Shared same with Chad Dixon ala LongRifles. The basis is a 700 SPS SS, tossin' some things away and saving others. Here's what Chad had to say in regards to punching the factory spout to AI--


"One thing:

Chambering a barrel to an Ackley is no problem for us. We build a lot of them. With a factory barrel it can be a little tricky however. Often a Remington doesn’t leave much unturned cylinder just ahead of the recoil lug. This can make it near impossible to grab onto when attempting to do chamber work. The other issue lies with the cartridge itself. Turning the parent cartridge to an AI requires that the shoulder of the barrel be pushed forward about .0625” (1/16th) Contrary to popular belief you can't just cram the AI reamer behind the parent case and have it turn out right. In order to get a good fireform the neck/shoulder junction of the parent case MUST bite into the neck/shoulder junction of the AI chamber. The AI is intentionally a pinch shorter at this intersection just for this reason. This equates to around .004” of crush. Ignoring this creates a condition that invites stretching of the parent case during fire forming because there is no assurance the head of the case is firmly seated against the bolt face. It will lead to premature case failure around the web region.

So long as we have around a 1/4” of straight cylinder we’ll be ok. If your barrel has an aggressive taper beginning at the recoil lug it won’t work. We’ll need to get you a new barrel."


Thought this wisdom was worth sharing. Could be the reason why some here 'bouts are having fire forming case failures....

Was told the same thing regarding the rem sporter barrel having no shank by Redneck on the fire when he built my last 243AI. But, he did punch it, and it shot like a mother...

I can only hope.... *grin*

Chunk or flyweight build(s)?

Just a CM 243 barreled action (sporter contour) that I had him pull apart. I bought a SS sporter contour off the fire, had him punch that and screw it back together. Worked out well, and I probably shouldn't have sold it, but I happened onto a deal on a couple SS ADLs in 243, so tripped the CM one..

I want to go stainless action on mine. I have cm action, and stainless bbl. That action/bolt will be rusted up by the end of the hunt.

Headspace stumps alotta folks,with sizing dies causing nearly as much woe as a seating die.

If you can fuck up:

1) Kiss
2) Find pressure
3) Rock on

There ain't much hope...................(grin)

True dat. Thought Chad's "contrary to popular belief" words were worth sharing. Kinda hard to rein in the results of a rogue reamer at the reloading press....

Santa's gonna have a list from me for this project. Heard tell some of his helpers have been shopping already....

My factory rechamberd AI is apparently suffering from the machine setup woes mentioned in the first post. Crush fit and headspace are spot on but the chamber ended up slightly out of round due to the apparent lack of barrel shank during it's stint on the lathe. Brass is about to separate at the head after 3 firings. The pisser is that it shoots like a laser. I guess a new tube is gonna be coming soon. I'm wondering if it'll be worth it to go 8" to let the 115's spin true.

I've never hated the regular 243 as much as some apparently.

I've never loved trimming brass as much as some apparently though it does give an excuse to stay in the house.

Chuck don't get out much...

R.

Nothin' to hate about the SAAMI offering. Just happen to think that Ackley improved upon same....

The guys slagging the factory 243 due to excessive days lost to case trimming, you ever try bushing dies?

Seriously, how much time have you spent trimming 243 cases?

Not saying the 243AI isn't a superior case design, just wondering how much of the chatter is from actual experience...

You're replacing cases after three firings. There isn't much of anything that will require trimming at that rate.

Tell you what. You post photos of the bone you've killed with an AI chamber and then I will do the same. That ought to clear up who don't get out much in an awful hurry.

Whatever turns your crank, dumbfuck. You couldn't find your ass with both hands, and your posts above show it.
I don't have to prove to you how smart I am, as I already know. Your low double digit IQ is getting the best of you again. Don't you have some mods to whine to, about me showing how stupid you really are?
Why don't you grow a pair,and stand up for yourself, instead of bitching and whining like a 5 year old that got his best and only sucker taken away?

R.

Driftin' Gotta say i love my 243AI, just wish it was twisted 9" so as to sling the 105 Amax. Tho its a leetle monster with the 85TSX/87Vmax swapaloo...

Seriously? What moderator have I ever whined to? Put up or shut up you retard. I'm not the one with the IQ that doesn't allow me to figure out a camera. Or is that really the problem? Maybe there is no subject matter to post a picture of. I've never seen someone dance around the subject more than you.

Oh, one question. Are you by chance French? Laughing.

Would be all over an 84M if the same were true. Likely do the Remington end run accordingly....

Altho' an AR-10 w/SS spout twisted 9 would sure make fire-forming fun. Don't think I could do it given a light turnbolt....

Reading comprehension ain't your strong suit.

I thought when you said that your cases were about to separate after three firings that you meant your cases were about to separate after three firings. My bad.

Hey city boy. Where did you go with the pictures?

This shit comes and goes,as far as dimensions go and every now and again there's a .0000000001" "tolerance" kick.

In actuality,shit be far more fucking forgiving than most would infer. Armed with the faintest of clues,this shit is well beyond "easy".


1) Kiss
2) Find pressure
3) Rock on

I prolly haven't shot much more than a jazillion SAAMI 243 rounds...pass the AI and get the fuck outta the way.............

Jesus Fuck, are you stupid!
Just how does all that glass taste?

R.

Damn. I do believe that even as a bitch I've heard this shit somewhere before...

Inculcation of the obvious is oft a novelty to some....

So you have none. Why don't you just come out and say that you are a lying troll and be done with it.

Chuck, your kind of stupid never stops! I have plenty of pictures and piles of bones. So, I waste my time, and hang them up, for what? Because you asked for them? Good fucking luck. Unfortunately for you, you're about the last guy I would spend a minute of real effort on, except to hurl insults at, and expose you for the stupid cunt you really are. And that's never a waste of time.
You, calling me a troll, on this forum, is beyond funny, as your comments here are exactly that.

R.

Chuck, your kind of stupid never stops! I have plenty of pictures and piles of bones. So, I waste my time, and hang them up, for what? Because you asked for them? Good fucking luck. Unfortunately for you, you're about the last guy I would spend a minute of real effort on, except to hurl insults at, and expose you for the stupid cunt you really are. And that's never a waste of time.
You, calling me a troll, on this forum, is beyond funny, as your comments here are exactly that.

R. [/quote]

Dufus, don't call me out and then trip over your wang like that. It makes you look stupid.

Not being able to manage the quote function is stupid.
So is you, talking about my wang.
Nicely done.
Twit.
R.

Put up or shut up Russ. You brag like no other about how smart you are and then tell the masses you can't wrap your head around photobucket. Why is that? Twit.

I think it has something to do with this:

"So, I waste my time, and hang them up, for what? Because you asked for them? Good fucking luck."

Now, fuck off, the grown-ups are talking.

R.

Talking and posting pictures you mean. Poor Retard Russ.

Chuck, I have no idea what you're on about, nor do I care.
Unlike yourself, I am far from poor, and far from retarded. If you had any comprehension skills, you would have figured that out by now.
I'll type it again, this time slowly, so you can get it:

F-U-C-K O-F-F Y-O-U S-T-U-P-I-D C-U-N-T-!

R.

We now return you to our regularly scheduled programming....

Here's what I'm thinkin' at the moment:

Pieces:
Remington 700 SPS Stainless Steel ( .243 Winnie, RH)
Leupold VX3 3.5-10 (matte/duplex + M1 elev. turret)
Talley L/W (medium, matte black)
PT&G Aluminum BM (Black)
McMillan Remington Hunter’s Edge (blank w/ 5/8” LimbSaver, unpainted)

LongRifles, Inc. - Chad Dixon:
Punch to .243 AI
Radius recoil lug
Spiral flute bolt
Inlet stock for barreled action w/ SS pillars, bed action
Bob barrel to 22” w/recessed target crown
Wrinkle paint stock (olive base w/ 70% light gray + black splatter)

Wouldn't argue going ADL either. Speaking of that, does anyone know if the 105 'Max COAL'd to a kiss will clear the starboard side? Also, the spec'd McM ergos vs a Classic? Seems that the RHE is a tad more svelt in the bow per McM description.

The issued throat will kiss the 105 from the box and they'll fall outta the port easily...no different than anything else. You could spec a throat of whatever geometry you wanted and could setback easily,to arrange same.

I'm an ADL Slut,mainly because nothing is better. I'd be in Classic Mode with that contour and it'd wear gelcoat.

Kiss,find pressure and rock on.............

Sincere thanks for the confirmations. Looks like thunkin' be alignin'. Care to learn me up on gelcoat materials & methods?

Avoid paint and you is there...........(grin)

RMan vs. Chuck?

Pass the 243AI and hold the fluff.............

Laffin'....

...and anticipating the *Rock on* phase fun....

If I were going edge, I'd want to rebarrel with something lighter.

If sticking with the issued barrel, I'd happily run a classic or MR.

Light handles only shine,when wearing light barreled actions.

I'd be in Classic Swirl Mode......................

McSwirlie would work too. So the OEM spout lopped to 22" and buoyed by an Edge would be too light astern?

Not my cup of tea.

But I take balance/handling purty fucking seriously.............(grin)

Thus my inquiry to those that have sojourned this particular path afore me.... *grin*

So, McSwirly to balance the lopped OEM spigot and, perhaps, a P/N #1 or L/W sporty contour, 9-twisted and lopped same-same wearin' an Edge? 3-groove like the BR Boys or a handful?

Having Chad do the inlet/bed gives free rein betwixt the melding. Whole lotta work to end run a Montana's mag constraints and OEM twist....

I don't run anything edge currently... my train of though is that if I'm paying extra to go LW on the stock, I want it to be on a LW barreled action.

If sticking with the standard barrel, the gelcoat McMillan will likely balance better (given my experience with other light stocks). Plus, I don't like paying extra to get part way there.

I'd be happy with a 3 groove 9twist #1, LW, or Mountain rifle pattern in an edge. Might just go that route anyway...

I'm 24" 3 groove, 8 twist in mine, duping the MR pattern. (PacNor) McM Edge in MR stock.

It's about .75 with amax's, and sub .5 with scenars. Got a box of the Berger 105s, but haven't tried them yet. It's nice, and the more I hunt with it, the more I like it. Only thing I'd change is I'd go down to a 23 or 22" bbl.

If the Montucky were 9",more would fly off the shelf.

Everyone here loves 3-groove and I'm of that camp myself. I'd certainly drop contour from OEM,if going EDGE.

The 243AI is just an amazingly fucking wicked Hammer...............

Obliged to all. Letter to Santa sent.... *grin*

Spill your guts on the findings..............

R&D is back up for a spell. After getting past the gatekeepers, had a lengthy conversation with an uppity-up at Kimber. Followed up with an e-mail to Nosler. Film at 11.....

Any of 'em sound like they've a fucking clue?...................

After finally getting to someone who does, the gentleman I talked to at Kimber, who will remain nameless out of respect, engaged in a rather informative conversation for 'bout 30 minutes. I wanted to convey the reasons why I wouldn't likely purchase one of their fine Montana rifles in .243, but wanted to. We covered a number of related topics in due course, but from the manufacture's perspective, product liability lawyers are what keeps them from deviating from SAAMI standards, including something as benign as twist rates.

Further, it seems that Nosler submitted the 280AI to SAAMI for standardization, a rather lengthy process that can take years. Thus, the addition of this fine cartridge to Kimber's lineup. Out of curiosity, I made the following inquiry to Nosler as to the possibility of similarly submitting the 243AI:

Greetings!
After talking at length with a certain manager at Kimber, he informed me that the reason Kimber added the 280AI chambering to its present lineup was that Nosler submitted this excellent round to SAAMI for standardization, muzzling product liability lawyers in accord....

Please, oh please, pretty please, would you consider doing the same to *Improve* the ubiquitous .243 Winnie with those sexy 40-degree shoulders to unleash its true 6mm potential?

Ahem.... My sincere apologies for groveling.


Received this in response:

Your groveling is excused sir!

The 243 Improved would be an awesome cartridge to standardize and chamber our rifles in! The SAMMI standardizing process is a lengthy one but has been well worth it--I could certainly foresee the 243 Ackley being standardized in the next few years but I have not heard of any plans to do so as of yet. In the meantime, I will submit your vote and cross my fingers right alongside you.

Good shooting to you!

Shawn Finley
National Rifle Sales Director
Nosler Inc.
107 SW Columbia St.
Bend, OR 97702
Phone: 800-285-3701 ext 1028
Fax: 541-388-4667


Back to Kimber-- At the close of our enjoyable telephone conversation, he hinted that I should wait to make my purchase. When pressed, he just suggested that I watch for press releases from the 2012 SHOT Show....

Good things come to those that wait.... *grin*

If I win, does that make me slightly less retarded? Just looking for the silver lining here...

R.

You're in Alberta, your cloud is lined with tar sand.

Don't think I don't know it. Everyday. Price is way better than silver, for sure. All hell for a basement.

And, its oil sand. Tar isn't all that PC, you know!

R.

We got oil in ND. You got fuckin tar that's gotta be steamed outta the sand.

It's tar.

Oil, tar, whatever! It pays the bills. Not complaining about it either way! Its all good.

R.

Anything come out of the SHOT show that would make me wait to get my Montucky Bob rebarreled to 243AI?

Nope....

Link

Likely goin' 'nother direction, as a plan is coming together....