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243 AI or 6.5 Creedmoor

Dude270

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I'm thinking of putting together a rifle in one of the two above rounds.

Primary uses would be deer and the occasional bear (200-300lb max) out to 500 yards and steel,rocks,and varmints/predators as far as I can hit them (my max range most places is under 1000 yds.

Honestly I'm leaning towards the 243 AI but could be persuaded either way

for an action Im setting on a 700 SA that i'd like to keep as an adl so throating is a concern possibly with the 243 AI

lets here the pros and cons from you guys

thanks
 

16Bore

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I feel the need for Creed. I'm thinking it'll be like a 243 on one end and a 7-08 on the other.

Reckon we'll see....
 

Dude270

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pretty close, I imagine. If you are still on your no handload kick, I don't see how you can go better than the CM.

Loading is still the only way I can afford to shoot as much as I like to though. Plus, cheaper 6mm bullets make me smile
 

Dude270

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I commend you, Sir.
your life will be less of a hassle and shit will die just the same.

I recall fondly the days when I had a 22-250 and a 270 and killed everything i pointed them at with green and yellow boxed stuff.
 

16Bore

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Yup, sold bits and pieces on the 'fire and my buds got hooked the fuck up. If I get the itch there are plenty of presses that only require Jim Beam or coffee to operate.

Meanwhile, Mr. Hornady will be doing the work. Fingers crossed that his ELD-X shit ain't shit.

I'm finally old enough that my time means more than my shit.
 

Cuando

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Those 105 Hornady's at $21 per 100 are what would persuade me to go .243AI. There is not a stand out 6.5 bullet that I'd want to build a Creed around to be honest. Maybe the Scenar, but I can't afford to shoot those much.
 

Lineman

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I think I could do all I want to do with the the 143 no melts.

But then again, same could be said for 105s, so...
 

Dude270

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Lineman, I had the same thought.
cheaper bullets, more abundant brass and less recoil have me leaning towards the 243 AI.
 

bobnob

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No expert here but to my mind when hunting at ranges of 500+, THE most compelling factor is drift. The wind really buggers me up!

With your LRF and a dope chart the drop and kinetic energy delivered mean not that much.

I'd be building the rifle around the bullet that will allow you to "beat" the drift best as possible.
 

16Bore

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Was thinking 105's-243-20"-Classic-6X Fucker, but went the other way. No matter which direction you go, you'll give up something in one way or the other. Little drift, little ass, more weight, bullet selection, whatever. Reloading was my concession and I don't shoot near as much as most here.....

Plus I got my eye one a few other toys. Really fucked up and fondled a 20 ga A400.

Damnation......
 

Dude270

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Glad the shotgun bug has never bitten me hard.

Welcome guys, I am leaning hard towards the 243 AI, I'd like to hear from you all that own them what your likes and dislikes are with them.

loads and velocities would be good too
 

Big Stick

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Because boolits matter more than headstamps,I'd be 6mm,for reasons already cited. Yep,the 6.5 can be slickeryer...but I don't know anyone who shoots their 6.5(s) as much as their 6mm(s). For me,it is all about ACTUALLY shooting.

The last coupla 20" 6XC's I seen(fast twist Montuckys/6x MQ's),did 2950fps+ with 105HPBT Hornies and that ain't a bad place to be. Mild manners,modest report and miserly powder volumes ain't concessions. There are more than a few ways to yield brass. It's a platform,that would be easy to use a LOT and with increased trigger time,"luck" happens by literal default.

I think that if there was a Pop Quiz for 500yd shit,that everyone would drive a fast twist 270 with 105's,if only because there's a shitload of them,6BR's,XC's,243Win SAAMI's,243AI's,6-284's,Twat-Sixes and the like to extrapolate. A .473" Donor mitigates the 270 by default,which is a shame. I'd have zero qualm with a BR,XC,243 or 243AI in OEM ADL Donor guise. A Faux Ti 6XC at no more than 20",would be a BAD Bitch,that was friendly in regards to feed/function and offer alotta throating options in a OEM ADL's issued box.

I LOVE my Montucky Baby BR,but shoot my Itty-Bitty 270 more. That's prolly a function of brass being free(though I've Lapooey BR brass coming out my ass),gaining an extry poke in the belly and it being no more difficult to press the button on the Sig LRF for one,than it is the other. The MQ reticle,really don't give a fuck either and those two things in conjunction,literally rewrote The Book.

Been a while since there's been a mainstay 243AI in the crummy,but it weren't too long ago,when there was a herd of 'em in same. My LFB 6-284 is an incredible fucking hammer,but it don't get schlepped for shit,as I'd rather tote the 18" Montucky 270 or 20" Montucky BR. My Montucky Twat-Six is a WICKED Bitch,but my Baby 270 burns less than half the fucking powder and an 18" spout is handier than 22" and small change. Been alotta folks got their minds fucked,by shooting that Itty-Bitty 270 to multiple distant zipcodes away. I've said it 1000's of times already..."don't MAKE me get the 270 out!".(grin)

I'm hot on the SAAMI 243Win in a Krunchenticker with 105 Hornie HPBT Smooches,as it's a rather nice blend of no bullshit. For day in/day out grinding,I'd rather 18" 243LBC,due the much improved portability/balance of a '15 over a '10.

So were it me,I'd be gearing up for volume,mainly because I'd rather be pulling a trigger than talking about it.

Regarding 6XC,my sole lament is that Lapooey don't offer formed SAAMI cases...but I'm gonna rebarrel Sister's 21" MR contoured 25-284 to 6BR and work the Lapooey brass angle. She's killed a fair amount of shit with the Montucky BR and has all sortsa faith in it.

Me too...............(grin)
 
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Big Stick

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PS and by the way...Nigger Buggy just might have a #3 Brux 243AI 1-8" spout threaded 700,for sale.

It's a Peach.................
 

Dude270

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Stick,

I appreciate your thoughts.
I have my 20" baby 270 and love it, it gets shot more than anything I have at the moment, but I have a .473 action in hand and like the idea of more ass. I also have lots of 243 brass, so a SAAMI or AI 243 makes sense for me if I stay 6mm.
Is it worth the effort to AI the 243? maybe that's the question
 

Dude270

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That brux #3 is a BT meatier than I intended to go ( I was thinking #2 or even a Rem sporter dupe) but I could be persuaded.

Is Dave around to catch a Pm about it?
 

Brazo

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I had a similar thought process as you and went with the 243 AI because of less recoil, cheaper bullets, and more than enough for my needs (deer hunting) and plinking around. Have a 6x MQ at the ready for it. Here is the original spec sheet and thread, hopefully it can help you. Feel free to ask anything I'll see if I can help.

http://www.asrealasitgets.net/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=182226&page=1
 

Dude270

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That's very nice Brazo.
I'm thinking of pretty much the same build.

I'll touch base with you as it comes together
 

Lineman

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While we're talking 105s....

I've been running amaxes for a while. Wouldn't mind a little more mag box wiggle room. Any of y'all got the difference handy between the 2 with a square kiss?

I'm at 2.835" oal right now with the 'maxes.
 

Eagle1899

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not where I would like
6.5 Creedmoor gets my vote. Off the shelf ammo is superb and reloads are even better.

No flies on a 243AI either...

Send your 700 out to Chad Dixon at LRI and have it back in less than a month(probably two weeks).
 

Dude270

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thanks eagle,

I didn't know Chad's turnaround was so fast, I've heard good things about his work.

The batcave gets most of my stuff and I don't think Dave has ever made me wait any more than a month
 

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I know I'm a idiot blah blah fucking blah, but I kill lotsa shit, besides paper and rocks, I would, and am going 243 ai, spun up by my old metal shop teacher, Steve Kostanich.. google him, hint... Brown truck dropped dropped off a 660 duped fluted hart 8" twist, this week, don't think it'll disappoint...
 

Big Stick

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Dude270 said:
That brux #3 is a BT meatier than I intended to go ( I was thinking #2 or even a Rem sporter dupe) but I could be persuaded.

Is Dave around to catch a Pm about it?
I'll shout and see WTF..............
 

Big Stick

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Dude270 said:
Stick,

I appreciate your thoughts.
I have my 20" baby 270 and love it, it gets shot more than anything I have at the moment, but I have a .473 action in hand and like the idea of more ass. I also have lots of 243 brass, so a SAAMI or AI 243 makes sense for me if I stay 6mm.
Is it worth the effort to AI the 243? maybe that's the question
The 243AI is great,always has been and always will be.

It's simply a very nice blend of case capacity to case length,which affords alotta nice thangs by default. OEM 700 ADL confines,will eek the goody out of it easily and it's a great way to bring alotta ass to the scene.

You've mentioned it enough,that if you DON'T do it...you'll always wonder WTF,so now is prime time to scratch the itch. It is without doubt,a very tough customer to whoop in the wind and it certainly has a pile driving ass. The BatCave throat is money and there's nothing to fret there.

Shoot Buggy a PM and rattle his chains on the Brux and cut to the chase,as it'll cover all bases..................
 

Big Stick

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It'd be easy to run happily with Lapooey brass and a 105 scootin' right along.

No way it couldn't not shine.................
 

Brazo

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Lineman said:
While we're talking 105s....

I've been running amaxes for a while. Wouldn't mind a little more mag box wiggle room. Any of y'all got the difference handy between the 2 with a square kiss?

I'm at 2.835" oal right now with the 'maxes.
The 105 HPBT is a little longer with both kissing the lands. I had mine throated for the HPBT's.

105 HPBT 2.750"
105 amax 2.735"
 

Lineman

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Brazo said:
The 105 HPBT is a little longer with both kissing the lands. I had mine throated for the HPBT's.

105 HPBT 2.750"
105 amax 2.735"
I was thinking it was the other way around. Guess I'll just order another 1k 'maxes instead.

Thanks for the info.
 

Diamond Dave

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Just for the record..... I got a 6.5 Creed coming. R700, Hawkhills Marksmen contour 1-8"

Gonna put it in an Mcmillan A-3 DBM style....

Up top EGW 30MOA, Burris XTR sigs, 10MQ......
JLK 140s should make it a peach...............
 

Brazo

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Lineman said:
Brazo said:
The 105 HPBT is a little longer with both kissing the lands. I had mine throated for the HPBT's.

105 HPBT 2.750"
105 amax 2.735"
I was thinking it was the other way around. Guess I'll just order another 1k 'maxes instead.

Thanks for the info.
Phucking hell I must have grabbed the dummy round that was off the lands. I just checked again and the amax is in fact longer touching the lands at 2.780" so the HPBT is .030" shorter. You were right. That may allow you to just squeeze the HPBT into the mag box and kiss lands. Sorry about that.
 

Lineman

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No worries.

I can fit the 'maxes but it's tight. I'll grab a few boxes of the HPBT next order I place.
 

Big Stick

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I cain't remember...how long of a barrel are you going for the Grandpa Stock?

70MOA of inclination with a 10x MQ and 140 JLK's,will have some nice reach...................